PUA Forums http://www.puagathering.com/forums/ Pickup Artist Forums :: PUA Gathering - A Social Network for Pickup Artists en Mon, 06 Sep 2010 11:59:46 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.puagathering.com/forums/images/dark_vb/misc/rss.jpg PUA Forums http://www.puagathering.com/forums/ pua vs blackberry http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f4/pua-vs-blackberry-1415/ Sun, 05 Sep 2010 23:42:07 GMT a few days ago i went to visit a friend's house and there was a hb "work in progress" she lives very far from where i live so i have only met her no more than 4 times everytime i talked to her she keep saying: "one second" it was her f***ing blackberry texting while giggling i dont know if it was her stupid friend who was in love of her since 5th grade or her bff cockblocking me all the material i learned wasnt working she was totally focus on her f***ing blackberry i was pissed i knew i had to punish her but nothing good came up to my mind so i just kissed her forehead said to her "good night" and left

nowadays everybody is texting with their f***ing i hate when that happens how do i strike back? ]]> Lounge bigfoot http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f4/pua-vs-blackberry-1415/ Initation http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/initation-1414/ Sat, 04 Sep 2010 00:41:53 GMT hey everybody i'm from London, England and i'm 23 years old. i've just recently found out about the PUA gaming society and from what i've read and seen so far its pretty cool and look forward to having some fun with it.
i'm a part time student, part time footballer and part time musician. i look forward to having fun with these stuffs and dating strippers and generally learning new set of skills that can impact my life.
please if you can help with some guide lines to basically get me started or just general things i ought to know please feel free to drop some comments and messages
thanks H. ]]> Introductions hedonic1 http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/initation-1414/ Vince Kelvin EXPOSES Ross Jeffries as a COWARD! EXCLUSIVE! http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f4/vince-kelvin-exposes-ross-jeffries-coward-exclusive-1413/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:13:22 GMT J The Ripper Show #29! Featuring: Vince Kelvin Decibel Alfaromeo Gigsaw Envy *Fatty Confessional with VINCE KELVIN!? J The Ripper Show #29!

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Decibel
Alfaromeo
Gigsaw
Envy

*Fatty Confessional with VINCE KELVIN!?
*Alfaromeo knocks up a chick with a BF and she has a miscarriage
*We all recant our "raw dog" or fucking without a condon stories
*Using toilet paper as a rubber and childrens ballons?
*Gigsaw calls a number
*Gigsaw does a LIVE pickup as he speaks to us and walks on his college campus opening random chicks!
*Vince Kelvin calls Ross Jeffries a COWARD! CANT MISS THIS SHIT!
*Winner of the Pick Up Artist Summit Contest Revealed!

First person to name both songs at the beginning and end of the podcast gets to come to the Vince Kelvin seminar this Sunday for free!

Listen here:
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or

http://www.casanovacrew.com/Podcast/ep29.mp3 ]]> Lounge j_the_ripper http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f4/vince-kelvin-exposes-ross-jeffries-coward-exclusive-1413/ Friend zone? Any chance? http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/friend-zone-any-chance-1412/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 14:56:08 GMT Ahh the friend zone...so this is the second time this has happened to me, its not as clear cut as the first time but I think I might be stuck. ... Ahh the friend zone...so this is the second time this has happened to me, its not as clear cut as the first time but I think I might be stuck.

I met this girl about 3 months ago at work. The first two nights we hung out we hooked up and the second night lead to us almost having sex but it didn't work out so well in my two seater 350z...you have NO idea how much I regret bringing that car that night lol. She had and still has a boyfriend of 3 years when this happened. Yes I know if she cheated on him whats to stop her from cheating on me but her boyfriend treats her like complete sh*t.

After that we started hanging out more and more often but never again have we hooked up since that night, and I've tried plenty of times. Now its always "me and my boyfriend are good now" or something like that.

We've been getting really close lately but i think it's more of a friendship which I'm not really looking for right now with her. I really like the girl more then I have any girl in my life up to this point. Just yesterday we were sitting outside the mall for two hours and she told me things she said "she never even told her boyfriend." That was a smack in the face to me and made me think even more this girl just wants me as a friend and nothing more. Why would she tell me things about her life that she hasn't even told her boyfriend of 3 years? Am I right to think that?

I know if this girl didn't have a boyfriend I definitely would be in the friend zone right now but...Am I wrong to think that she might break up with her boyfriend soon and she likes having me around for that reason?

I'm basically the complete opposite of her boyfriend, he has no job, no car and doesn't goto school and he's a complete dick to her

The thing with her boyfriend is they are constantly fighting and don't talk for days at a time but she always goes back to him. She complains to me about everything he does and how if he doesnt change shes gonna break up with him... I tell her all the time hes a deushbag and bash him about all the stupid things he does but let her know im not dealing with her boyfriend problems for her..Theres no way im being her emotional tampon haha sorrry. I think she feels like she has me to talk to / hang out with and her boyfriend to have sex with...fail on my part


I still flirt with her a lot but not as much as before since I know she has a boyfriend and she KNOWS I like her, theres no way she doesnt. I dunno maybe thats the wrong approach.

Should lay low for a while and just make my move when and if she ever breaks up with her boyfriend? Or should I still hang out with her a lot like I have been lately and keep giving hints? Like today she wants to goto a club with me...Dunno if im gonna go. I think one mistake I made was to make myself way to reliable to her and available whenever she needed something. Id be there when her boyfriend wasnt even there for her. ]]> Newbie Discussion Cyndrin http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/friend-zone-any-chance-1412/ LJBF, what went wrong here? http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/ljbf-what-went-wrong-here-1411/ Thu, 02 Sep 2010 02:35:38 GMT hey guys, i'm 21 years old and i'm new to the pickup scene. I recently read The Game, MM, loads of blog posts and now i have discovered this forum (which i'm making my home).

I found out that i was already doing some things right (i'm naturally a good talker, cocky funny, i tease girls) but i was also doing some really AFC stuff like easily bending my frame to suit the girls will, i sucked at picking up IOI's and waited way too long before turning things sexual.

The thing is, after reading up on game i could easily tell my friends where they screwed up with a girl. However for myself it's harder to see where i went wrong, as my own behaviour seems so logical to me. So i'll post a report of the last girl that LJBF'd me, if anyone could give me some feedback on what i should have done differently i would appreciate it.

I managed to get out of the friend zone twice in my life:
Once with a girl who considered me as her best friend for 5 (FIVE!!) years. Basically i had her on the phone and i started talking about what it would be like if we would get married someday since we get along so well. I started of slow with some funny situations n jokes about us and about an hour later i was telling her word for word how i would fuck her.

The second time a girl LJBF'd me and i figured it would be best to get out of the friend zone before she's used to seeing me there. So i gave her the "friends won't work for me, so it's up to you if you want to keep seeing me, but not as friends" Risked losing her but it worked.

So a couple of months back i meet a girl through a mutual girl friend. She's a 9, but i was fucking a girl she knew at the time and she had a BF so i didn't try anything. I just negged her, went cocky funny, DHV here and there but avoided giving her too much attention, my friends were all over her so it worked great for me. Later when we both were free i saw her at a concert, i told her i was going on a citytrip with my cousin the next day and she invited herself. We spent 1 day / 1 night there and i used it to build comfort and kino. Didn't have the logistics to close here cause 3 of us had to sleep in same bed. Then she goes on a 1 month holiday, keeps texting me, keeps posting on my fb. First day that she returns she wants to see me, again no place to fuck:talked about holidays, some comfort, light kino.

Then we go out with friends in the weekend. We were slightly high/drunk and after a lot of kino in the car, we started kissing in the back seat while 2 friends were in the front driving. In the club we danced, i went in for a kiss after some dancing but she pulled away! So i play it off, i smile and keep dancing with her. At this point she was really drunk so all i got was some typical drunk kino, didn't pay any mind to it. A girlfriend of hers wants to drop her of to make sure she gets home well.

Next day some house party. She acts colder than usual towards me when she's there, first time that she didn't automatically come sit next to me. In short: she gets drunk, friend of mine tells me he saw her kissing some other guy in the hallway. I pretended i didn't know and i tested her a bit. When we were alone i gave her some kino, she was OK with it ( still somewhat drunk though :/) i gaze, go in for kiss and she pulls back!! To me this meant she knew what she was doing and wasnt that drunk, so i went home. Again her protective girlfriend drove her home.

Next day i texted her (i know :/) but it had gotten to my head so i sent: X saw u kiss XX last night, what game are you playing here? And she answers that she's sorry and she was drunk. But we should both know that it never ends well between friends and she's not playing anything.

I figured i try to leave the friend zone ASAP, so i went with the 'i can't be friends blabla' like last time. She tells me that she's upset that i make her choose between having something with me or not seeing me at all. And that she just wants to be friends, she'll make sure nothing will go wrong anymore. I lost.

Now, i would like to save this if there is still something i can do about it. Because it would be my first 9 and i actually got along really well.
The amount of attention and IOI's this girl gave me was insane. People everywhere generally thought we were dating when they saw us together. Sometimes friends told me 'saw u with your girlfriend, etc'. So is there anything i can do here?

ALSO! this girl managed to work her way into my close social circle, which means that i will inevitably see her again. Here is where i really don't know what to do!!!!

I figured if i don't go out when i know she will be there, i DLV and look like an ass for not seeing my friends bc of her.
But if i do go out she gets what she wants and i DLV again. She still has me going out with her as her friend, while i clearly said that wasnt an option.

I figured the best thing would be to still go out with them. But i dont know how to act toward her. Colder? Even more cocky funny to show i dnt care? ignore? jealousy plotline, bring girls along? No clue here.


- end -

I just realized i wrote a book here, but i tried giving all relevant information, sorry for the length. Next time i'll use chapters, promised :D.

So if anyone could tell me what went wrong and what i should do when i see her i would greatly appreciate it.


In the meantime i'll be reading, sarging and posting on this forum on places where i feel i can already contribute, i'm still learning so i don't want to give people bad advice though :D

/ piranha ]]> Newbie Discussion piranha http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/ljbf-what-went-wrong-here-1411/ <![CDATA[My best online pickup EVER (I'm still a n00b)]]> http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f8/my-best-online-pickup-ever-im-still-n00b-1408/ Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:57:33 GMT I've always wanted to date (well bang) one of those hot goth or scene babes, but ALWAYS get blown out of sets by them... For the past six months or so, I've been coming up with some stuff in the back of my mind, and finally got a chance to try it out. It totally worked!

Even though this was online the same psychology should work IRL as well. The idea is to make them get into "bad-ass" mode and show them they're not all that bad. No need to go out and get your hair dyed green and pierce your nutsack to show you can handle them.

Quote:
opener:
omitted

her:
Cute you couldn't drive fast enough for me.

me:
I've got a reckless-driving record that spans two states
(I qualified myself w/o thinking about it. -2 points here, but it's all good.)

her:
*yawn*
(at this point I know she's at least slightly interested because she messaged me back. of course most guys are AFC, so she doesn't know I know this)

me:
(neg 1) You like heavy metal... you must like Nickleback and stuff?

her:
No f@cking way dude!!

me:
Just checking .... after all in one of your pics you have blue hair (neg 2).
Bullet for My Valentine? Slipknot?

her:
Slipknot was okay 10 years ago. lol. Try Acid Witch,xxxManiak,embalming theatre,catheter,fondlecorpse,gigantic brain... dude.

me:
(I had to google these bands really quick, had no idea who they were.... at this point we're sending messages in real time.)
................................
I was under the impression death metal was outlawed in (where we live). Maybe it was just Sundays while church is in session.
.................................
(I need to get her in bad-ass bitch mode now.. from this point it's a chess game and I'm two moves ahead of her :) )

her:
I will listen to it in front of a church while fornicating. lol
(just what I wanted)

me:
(time for an a-bomb of negs)
What's up with all this nice girl stuff? I thought you were a ball-buster? *disappointed*

her:
By ball busting i would step on your testicles with 6 inch spike heels.
(just what I wanted.... I've got this, I swear.... ;) )

me:
Now THAT'S f*cking sexy!

her:
yeah. I guess i should have clarified. :)
(she was obviously taken back by that comment... she took about 15 minutes to respond... thought I lost her for a second.. but at this point the vixen has been tamed and I just shift gears into my regular game)

me:
*gambit omitted*

her:
there is a great place out here down the road from where i live and the bonus is that they only hire really hot chicks. :)
(IOI #1)
me:
I didn't take you for the type that was into really hot chicks? Isn't that discriminating?

her:
no im just a great admirer of beauty. Yes I agree it is.
(now I've got her kinda qualifying to me, IOI #2.)

me:
Do they have anything cold? Like a Frapp?

BTW, my name is bob..
(build a little more comfort before number closing)


her:
Yes they do bob :) Im jane :)
(definitely time to close)

me:
Do you text, jane?


her:
Yeah XXX-XXX-XXXX
I'm going to pick her up tomorrow for coffee (at 8:00pm :) ) then (hopefully) we'll spontaneously bring take out back to her place.


I omitted some of my material, because I'm afraid a person who just copies and pastes to random HB in my area may use it, and ruin it for me.. It's really not too great, but if you'd like the opener just PM me... And if you seem to know what you're doing and don't live in my area, I'll gladly give it up. ]]> Online Game rdc998 http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f8/my-best-online-pickup-ever-im-still-n00b-1408/ Whats going on! http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/whats-going-1407/ Sun, 29 Aug 2010 20:01:02 GMT Hey I'm 'Exx' 17 from Ireland. Been an AFC for a long time but since a couple of months sarging I've had major improvements. What got me into this was Mystery and Neil Strauss.
Anyway its good to be here.:D ]]> Introductions Exx http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/whats-going-1407/ Phone Consultations and email with Wolfystyles http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f18/phone-consultations-email-wolfystyles-1406/ Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:51:09 GMT Alpha Male Transformations is now doing phone consultations and email consultations. Price is $75 for an hour and $50 for a half hour unless you... Alpha Male Transformations is now doing phone consultations and email consultations.

Price is $75 for an hour and $50 for a half hour unless you wish to buy packages which we discuss through email. There are also some introductory offers which we will discuss.

Email alone we will discuss pricing depending on what you want to do. It will be direct answers to your questions in more detail than I can ever put on the board and also direct thoughts into my method.

Both in my opinion are a good detail. My very first mentor was all through email and IM conversations. So they do work.

One can reach me at my email address
Wolfystylespua@hotmail.com ]]> Commercial Forum WolfyStyles http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f18/phone-consultations-email-wolfystyles-1406/ LJBF, but still attracted to me. Deluded or true? http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/ljbf-but-still-attracted-me-deluded-true-1405/ Sun, 29 Aug 2010 05:22:40 GMT here is a story about a spectacular attraction followed by the biggest clusterfuck any PUA can have. I’ve been seeing a girl for 4 months. Without a play by play account, I’ll say that in 3 years of being in the PUA community, she has had a peculiar effect on me that other girls haven’t. Mutual attraction was clear from the start. She’s a bright honours student (med) with strong Christian values (I’ve never dated a Christian girl before but she’s not religious, just extremely principled) – things have been progressing steadily.

2 weeks ago, she become distant. I realized it was something I said which she misinterpreted (details are not important at this stage). Suffice to say I said something unclear before I went on a 1 week trip and she misunderstood. (I'm not making excuses for her, but I realized I effed up the minute those words left my mouth)

We ended up having coffee. She said ‘let’s just be friends’ seemingly out of the blue. I turned into an AFC and instead of leaving, continued to linger and talk. Finally, after much goading she admitted– ‘You send me mixed signals and you seem so busy sometimes, I don’t want to ruin our friendship.’ (I work 60+ hour weeks, sleep 4-5 hours a night as a med student/ full time journalist but I could tell that wasn’t the whole issue.)

I replied that it wasn’t the case. That I hadn’t met a girl like her in a long time and it was stupid she couldn’t see how much I ‘fucking liked her’. It was a state of the union address that actually made her smile. For about an hour, everything was fixed.

But I was caught up in the honesty of our moment. I stupidly blurt out that- ‘when we just met, I was in a relationship with another girl. But it was an open relationship and I was honest about it. I wanted to give you and I a chance, so I ended things with this girl.’

Her eyes widened. She stopped in the middle of the street and just said – ‘I’m going home right now. This won't work.’

I responded–‘I broke up with this girl because it would have been wrong otherwise. But I don’t want to lead girls on when I know it’s going nowhere. It had less to do with you. I make my own choices.’

She seemed unconvinced but we ended spending the rest of the night together. I walk her home, holding hands, talking and laughing. But my relationship senses tell me something is not quite right. I say to her- ‘It can’t be that simple. You can’t go from not wanting a relationship, to suddenly being ok within the span of 4 hours. What else is there?’

She replies – ‘you’re right’

So we sat down on the curb in the dark and I wait for her to tell me. I wait. I wait. She steeples her fingers against mine and nestles her face into me. We sit for 2 hours and she can’t tell me. I become frustrated. After much hesitation she says – ‘I just want to be friends. There’s an issue I can’t bring up or talk to you about. But it’s a big one and we should just stay friends.’

I become the AFC again. Against all principles of PUA, I start to rationalize with her. I tell her that she’s willing to throw everything away with me just because she’s too stubborn. I say being friends will not work unless she can tell me whats wrong. She either tells me now, or I walk away for good. It’s her choice.

She curls up in my lap. She buries her face in my shoulder, and clutches my arm really tight with both her hands. Her breath started to jag. (This girl isn’t the type to show emotion easily.)

‘Finally she says, I can’t.’

I’m calm but I can tell I’m losing my cool. I get up and leave. But my heart is not convinced. Stupidly, I end up turning around and saying – ‘well then at least say good bye to me.’

She refuses to. I say – ‘is this your choice then? Say good bye to me so I can leave and we can end it now.’

‘So you want me to tell you to leave?’

I replied, ‘only if you mean it.’

She stays quiet. We repeat this dialogue.

Finally she says very unconvincingly – ‘go. Get away from my house then. Go.’ I drove off after that.

This doesn’t seem like the average – ‘LJBF because I have no attraction for you’ scenario. I’m not sure how to proceed and whether a freeze out would even be of help. I called up a f-buddy yesterday but wasn’t at all attracted to her and ended up wasting her time. I want to call Annie, but I know I can't. I've become a mess right now. ]]> Pickup Advanced Techniques noah_and_the_oak http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/ljbf-but-still-attracted-me-deluded-true-1405/ wassup! http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/wassup-1404/ Sat, 28 Aug 2010 22:47:51 GMT from: rather not say, sorry.
age: 30
game time: 4 yrs.... just starting to "get it" and put theory to work, so I'm still a n00b.
hobbies: snowboarding and PUA!
goals: to bang hotties.... just kidding - to keep learning and help others learn.

I just came across these forums on Google. I frequented V's (howtobecomeapua.com) forums back in the days, but have not really made a home in any other forums. This seems like a close, tight-nit group, so we'll see how it goes. ]]> Introductions rdc998 http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/wassup-1404/ New Zealand!! http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/new-zealand-1403/ Sat, 28 Aug 2010 10:04:57 GMT Hey 20y/o from New Zealand here new to the community been learning on my own so far from talking to customers at work, still say the wrong things... Hey 20y/o from New Zealand here new to the community been learning on my own so far from talking to customers at work, still say the wrong things sometimes. Got into the game from reading the book The Game - by Neil Strauss, he inspired me to go pick up women more. Always trying to improve myself in anything im interested in, hope to hear from some people for advice man :)
thanks everyone
Dilaks ]]> Introductions Dilaks http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/new-zealand-1403/ face reading http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/face-reading-1402/ Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:23:59 GMT ok so its been a while since i posted anything. but here we go. this face reading shit works. if you are online sarging its a great way to get their... ok so its been a while since i posted anything. but here we go. this face reading shit works. if you are online sarging its a great way to get their attention. now in the field i rather open with this then a question.. questions to me can be to needy.. what do you think? why? a broad might not have the attention span. but believe this..... every woman loves mystical shit and are vain like a mother fucka. so i suggest you PUA get on this. it work and works well. i also do the palm reading thing but that is when you are more intimate. here let me share an example of how you might be able to open with face reading.

me: hi
girl: ooh hi

me: wow... you know your lips say allot about you.
girl: really like what?
me: well lips are a reflection of a persons social personality
girl: wow really?
me: yeah your top lip tells me you are secretive but you bottom lips tells me you are very persuasive.. you eye also say..

well you get the point the whole idea is to start a conversation and get their attention then you just naturally let your self overwhelm everything she believes in. now this face reading is just another tool the arsenal every great PUA should have. dont bet all your game just on one style. remember broads are constantly adapting too so be on point.

here is the link check it out.. and i hope it works for you like it works for me.
http://www.brainchanger.com/facereading.html1.html ]]> Pickup Advanced Techniques Romeo http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/face-reading-1402/ Qualification: accomplished woman http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/qualification-accomplished-woman-1401/ Thu, 26 Aug 2010 20:55:41 GMT Q: I want to ask about qualifying a woman who is very accomplished. I am in the music field and hold the degree, Doctor of Musical Arts and the... Q:

I want to ask about qualifying a woman who is very accomplished.

I am in the music field and hold the degree, Doctor of Musical Arts and the woman who I want to qualify holds the same degree and also has had quite an amount of success touring as a pianist and has a teaching gig as well. It could be said that are career arcs are equal.

So, I cannot use the usual qualification material.


Thanks,

Dr. Dupree ]]> Newbie Discussion CousinDupree http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f3/qualification-accomplished-woman-1401/ Hi Everyone ! http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/hi-everyone-1400/ Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:35:13 GMT Hello to everyone!

I hope you're having a good day..

I have been in this seduction community for 2,5 years now with quite a lot succes. I've become quite natural with women.. And in all honesty: I see myself as a sex worthy man.

I came from a very nerdy place.. Not very cool, shy and overweight.

Can't wait to share ideas, perspectives and gain some knowledge from everyone else!

// Lars ]]> Introductions Apemarriott http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f2/hi-everyone-1400/ The 15 Laws of Attraction http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/15-laws-attraction-1399/ Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:06:37 GMT *Before you go out* 1. The “Game” begins as soon as you leave the house. Women notice you before you approach them. They should always see you... Before you go out

1. The “Game” begins as soon as you leave the house. Women notice you before you approach them. They should always see you having fun, being social, and looking good. (Going out with fun people, good wingmen, and to places you like helps with this). If you’ve been circling around, acting nervous, standing alone, you’ll need to have the skills of a Future or a Jeremy Soul to get the girl once you approach. Love Systems is about making things easier, not harder.

2. Dress in a way that is fashionable and expresses your identity. Most women see fashion as self-expression. So how do you want her to see you? Dress that way. You can’t avoid this – if you dress to blend in, she’ll just think of you as the kind of guy who wants to blend in. There are some great tips in the fashion section of these Forums and a how-to guide with before and after pictures in the Magic Bullets Handbook.


You see a beautiful woman…

3. Move your feet. If you get the eyes-feet reflex going (i.e., see a hot girl, start walking over to the hot girl), everything else will – eventually – take care of itself. Get this down until it’s automatic. The longer you delay an approach, the harder it will be. Don’t skip this.

4. Memorize five good openers (opening lines) so you always have one ready to go. If you don’t have this, you’ll often stumble the beginning of the conversation or even talk yourself out of approaching in the first place. If you don’t have a set of good “go-to” openers that you know work, grab some from the Routines Manual. Or create your own.

The first few seconds...

5. Body language – this is a massive topic and great body language can almost pick up a girl all by itself. Fundamentals for the first few minutes include eye contact, shoulders back and relaxed, hands calm and not in your pockets, stand up straight (don’t fidget), head straight (not tilted). Stand like you would if you owned the world.

6. Speak up! Love Systems has trained tens of thousands of men in person over the last 7 years. Almost all of them started off speaking too softly when approaching women. Especially at bars and clubs, she must hear you clearly the first time and it must cut across other conversations, the music, etc. Also, use your “chest voice” (Google it) and not your “head voice”.

7. Don’t “milk” the opener. Whatever you said when you came over to talk to her, switch off that topic after a minute. That’s crucial. You want her to see you as an attractive, interesting man, not as “the guy I talked to about such-and-such”.


Getting into the conversation…

8. Be FUN. Don’t be too serious or take yourself or the conversation too seriously. If you look like you’re having fun and enjoying yourself, she will have fun too. Fun is contagious…

9. ..but don’t be a dancing monkey.. You’re not trying to become her personal clown or court jester. Have fun and be fun, but don’t try to entertain.

10. Some things that are great for attraction and are also fun include storytelling, teasing, and role plays. It’s OK if you prefer one or two of these - each of these techniques has its own skill set. I do a lot of storytelling, some teasing, and a rare role play. Braddock (to choose one example) does the opposite. Go with what works for you.

11. Avoid “interviews”. Don’t ask her too many questions. A question or two shows some interest in who she is as a person, but more than that is what every guy does; it’s boring and a turnoff. It’s also a waste – asking her a question about herself does nothing to attract her or let her get to know your good qualities. Instead, make statements. E.g., instead of asking where she’s from, make a guess. Or tell her where you’re from and she’ll do the same.

12. Similarly, don’t play tourist in her life. So you find out she’s a stewardess/porn star/nuclear scientist and you’re curious to know more. Save it. If she’s attracted to you, you’ll have all the time in the world to ask whatever you want.

13. NEVER leave a conversation because you “run out of things to say”. Force yourself to stay. Your brain will learn, if it is forced to, how to improvise. Or use one of the hundreds of proven “things to say” (called routines). Be strict with yourself on this.


Making attraction STICK

Some guys think of attraction as something that takes a long time but once you got it, it’s permanent. That’s doubly wrong. Women feel attracted to men all the time, and it doesn’t take long – within minutes of beginning a conversation. But if you don’t do anything to solidify or lock in that attraction, it goes away as quickly as it came.

14. Qualification is the best way to keep her attracted. By making her work a bit for you and by leading the conversation to a place where you and her admit that you are interested in each other, you’re not some fleeting guy…you’re a guy she needs more of.

15. Phone numbers are not attraction. Getting a phone number does not mean she is attracted to you. Getting a phone number before she is attracted to you is next to useless. Read the Ultimate Guide to Phone and Text Game if you’re a phone number + dates guy instead of a One Night Stand guy.

Obviously, this is only scratching the surface. Attraction takes up several chapters of the Magic Bullets Handbook, most of the routines in the Routines Manual 1 and Routines Manual 2 are attraction routines, and the interview series goes through the nuts and bolts of a bunch of attraction techniques so you can go over “how to” do them all. But nothing about attraction will ever contradict these 15 Laws, no matter how advanced you are.

If you ever break any of these 15, print out the list, carry them in your wallet, review them until they are instinctive and you don’t even need to think about them any more.

-Nick Savoy ]]> Pickup Advanced Techniques savoy http://www.puagathering.com/forums/f6/15-laws-attraction-1399/